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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:50:00 -
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High security space is like a urine-infested kiddy pool. It's ultimately up to you whether to wallow there soaking up the electrolytes and diseases of every idiot thrashing around or chance the sharks and jellyfish for a proper swim.
Did I mention you're immortal? The only thing you lose can be easily acquired, and level of risk decided on before undocking.
But for some reason you ignore the wonderful open ocean. Probably because the servants walking around the kiddy pool with silver platters hand you nice shiny things for free. I mean, why would you leave? Much easier to wallow in this urine awhile longer and see if complaining nice and loud will result in nicer shiny things on the silver platter in front of my nose.
Ohgod someone shoot me quick I think I'm beginning to empathise with the urine.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:42:00 -
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I thought I was pretty succinct in answering your question. Did you even consider the possibility that things are the other way around? That perhaps hi-sec exploration is exactly where it should be and other hisec income fountains are completely imbalanced?
After all, if it weren't possible to farm risk free til the end of time, the purchasing power of the pennies you collect would go up.
So, you complain that the pennies thrown at you are not the gold coins the people around you are scooping by the handful. Who is to blame for that? Every time I see a hisec player complain about inflation or low price of salvage a wry grin spreads across my face.
You want risk free isk? You reap what you sow.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:57:00 -
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Please tell me where in high sec you will see interceptors shotgunning anoms.
"Relative safety" may be high in certain areas or at certain times, but it is just that, relative. Compared to null, yes, hisec is "relatively" safer.
Logic ************. Do you speak it?
Edit: the only 'protection' one pays for in null is for infrastructure. Thinking you are paying for your overlords to keep you safer than hisec is exactly what an uninformed hisec dweller would think normal.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:18:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Really?
Wow, FA and MC and RED and IRON covering my ass at various points back in the day when I was blue to them, and goonswarms hot pursuit of me on several more recent occasions as a non blue intruding in their sov must have been my ******* imagination.
(say what you will about goons, they are generally attentive to intruders).
Either that or your alliance clearly sucks ass and your blues are not getting their monies worth.
In my case, and perhaps this is an anomaly, I've been killed far more often in high sec than null, despite frequently running back and forth between them.
Ok, I'm fine with your little fantasy of the pvping overlords that are there to protect their serfs from any and all harm. Let's fantasize some more...
Nobody could ever slip a bomber or a wing of interceptors past the almighty overlords.
Oh, also every system is perma-scouted by people with their mouses hovering over local ready to report intruders to the instantly-responding home defence fleets.
There are no wormholes.
and...
You will never, not ever, have someone login inside the anomaly you just warped to.
Just so it's clear, after all that *facetious*: I am the hunter, and the hunted.
I undock in hi-sec to run a mission. Whatever 'risk' there is of other players interfering is entirely decided by me. Don't want to get ganked? Don't fit pimp. Don't want to be ninja'd? Don't shoot back. Don't want to be war-dec'd? Hop corp.).
I undock in null to run an anom, guess what? Other players can and will interfere with me.
If I don't want to be tackled I align. Dropping dps, lowering isk/hour. Risk/Reward.
If I choose not to align, it is because I am in a ship I am confident could 'blap' whatever tackle off the field before making a hasty exit. In other words I am preparing specifically for a situation, and should be rewarded for that. I am still taking a greater risk though. What if the pilot is really good/skilled or fit in a way my risk doesn't pay off?
However you look at it, risk mitigation is the name of the game in eve. Unfortunately, most players tend towards 'zero risk'; a concept that should not even exist. No matter what player tools are used by nullsec residents to mitigate risk, they are absolutely dwarfed by the NPC hand-holding that is concord/crimewatch/corp hopping. (forgot the faction navies but they are usually more help than hindrance to criminal types)
Because that's what it is, hand-holding. Take responsibility for your own actions in this game and you won't need anybody to hold your hand.
I have ratted in the same vindicator for two years through my good planning and decision making, not the crutch of hisec mechanics. Or the magical 'safety field' that you think nullsec power blocs present.
Before that, I escaped by the skin of my teeth countless times by good piloting, and have caught/been caught by countless others by good piloting. A good pilot will make the escape, a good pilot will make the tackle. If both pilots are good then things get interesting.
In hisec that dynamic is gone. Why should anyone even care about the place? Right, because it gives you risk-free isk by the fountain-full.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
479
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:03:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:totally not the issue here yet the keep ignoring main post and main theme of this thread
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? I mean I do mining get my plex and some goodies then do my exploration roaming just for the experience but rewards sucks.
Eram Fidard wrote:High security space is like a urine-infested kiddy pool. It's ultimately up to you whether to wallow there soaking up the electrolytes and diseases of every idiot thrashing around or chance the sharks and jellyfish for a proper swim.
Did I mention you're immortal? The only thing you lose can be easily acquired, and level of risk decided on before undocking.
But for some reason you ignore the wonderful open ocean.
Eram Fidard wrote:You want risk free isk? You reap what you sow.
Eram Fidard wrote:The only 'protection' one pays for in null is for infrastructure. Thinking you are paying for your overlords to keep you safer than hisec is exactly what an uninformed hisec dweller would think normal.
Ok, I'm fine with your little fantasy of the pvping overlords that are there to protect their serfs from any and all harm.
I don't think it's any coincidence that 10 minutes after posting this I was faced with (a) risk/reward decision ...When would that ever happen in hisec?
I summed up my posts since you clearly didn't read or understand them.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
481
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:58:00 -
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So you choose to pimp fit your ship and get ganked? Don't pimp your ship.
Take the risk of getting suicided, reap the rewards of missioning in a pimp ship. Working as intended. Still doesn't change the fact that a t2 fit is 100% safe from gankers. There is still reward for t2 fitting where is the risk?
No, you can't 'add risk' by introducing AI that will be reduced to a series of blitzing instructions within a day of being on sisi.
The only risks one takes in hisec are voluntary and 100% avoidable. Without exception.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
481
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:01:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Because according to the pro nullsec side, there is no risk to anything but other players and that PvP magically does not happen in high sec.
Name one isk fountain in hisec that cannot be accessed with zero risk. Just one, I dare you.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
482
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:32:00 -
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Last one I promise.
"Local chock full of neutrals"
They can't shoot you.
Wtf are you smoking?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
482
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:33:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Because according to the pro nullsec side, there is no risk to anything but other players and that PvP magically does not happen in high sec.
Name one isk fountain in hisec that cannot be accessed with zero risk. Just one, I dare you.
So I lied in the last post but I'm still waiting....
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
482
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Posted - 2013.12.06 22:54:00 -
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Avoid an inty landing on you in 5 seconds when your align time is 8.
I could go on, but I already have, and you clearly didn't bother trying to understand that either so I will stop here, at the apparent hard limit of hisec dweller reasoning.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
483
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Posted - 2013.12.07 16:15:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Hmm... let me try something... I see an unknown in system and reach ALL THE WAY OVER to my covert ops cloak hotkey, and push it. Then align to a safe spot (you may have heard of these) and warp to it. While cloaked. Makes it hard for the infy to 'land on you' unless you have some astonishingly bad luck. Because it's gonna take him a second to scan down either your ship or the site you're in.
Because optimal ratting setups have covops cloaks.
Rats never target you.
Three interceptors would never jump into system at the same time and shotgun the three hubs.
and
It takes more than a half second to click the arrow next to the words "forsaken hub"
Your posting makes me think you've never actually played out in null. Either that or your idea of optimal ratting is 50m/hour in which case go to hi-sec you will make more for less risk
Honestly, who the hell fits a covops cloak to make isk?
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